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Thompson County Park Phase II SD Review

Please Review the Project Boards and Leave your Comments

After discussing project prioritization and pricing in January, designs displayed below are the product of several design meetings between our multi-disciplinary team of consultants and a core team of Dakota County staff, and incorporates feedback from agency and other related stakeholders. The project concepts shown were grounded in the Master Plan, but in some cases have undergone changes based on new information or recent/upcoming projects. 

Your feedback on these projects will inform the finalization of Schematic Designs, pricing requests, and upcoming community engagement. Please review and weigh in on the concepts by Wednesday the 27th at 12PM.
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Christina Mar 27 2024 at 10:10AM on page 12

Concern around the slope to get to the trailer to this location. Grounds is going to test it out this week/early next
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Christina Mar 27 2024 at 10:00AM on page 11

Could this move closer to the connector trail or at least closer to each other to help with maintenance?
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Christina Mar 27 2024 at 9:59AM on page 11

Would want to use our standard enclosure
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Christina Mar 27 2024 at 9:58AM on page 11

Engineered wood fiber - typically comes by box truck or semi to the park and then has to somehow get back here to dump the load; and then it needs to be watered down. Concern if that will really work back
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Christina Mar 27 2024 at 9:56AM on page 11

Maybe need to reframe this - not exactly nature play. Should it be called "nature-themed play" or something like that?
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Christina Mar 27 2024 at 9:52AM on page 10

This is a pretty remote part of the park that will be hard to access for ongoing maintenance. Include shelter as an alternate? Christina to talk to Niki
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Christina Mar 27 2024 at 9:48AM on page 10

This pond is low on NR's list for restoration. Don't know that this would be a prime viewing spot
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Christina Mar 27 2024 at 9:47AM on page 10

Remove this from the base. Add as an alternate.
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Christina Mar 27 2024 at 9:45AM on page 10

Open style grate for bottom of bridge deck
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Christina Mar 27 2024 at 9:37AM on page 9

consider lighting similar to what's around the lake loop already
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Christina Mar 27 2024 at 9:35AM on page 9

add lighting to this area
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Christina Mar 27 2024 at 9:34AM on page 8

yes to lighting
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Christina Mar 27 2024 at 9:31AM on page 8

Seeing increased graffiti in the park - are there strategies that we can employ to help decrease this on some of the new improvements? Understanding that there's maintenance on our side as well
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Christina Mar 27 2024 at 9:29AM on page 9

Is there a more paired down version of the gardens that we can do? If we want to go with a phased approach for this part of the park as we figure out ongoing maintenance
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Christina Mar 27 2024 at 9:27AM on page 9

Do not want this type of walkway, especially not for this long of a stretch. Maintenance is a lot more than a typical pathway
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Christina Mar 27 2024 at 9:26AM on page 9

Can we get some help determining ongoing O&M costs?
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Christina Mar 27 2024 at 9:26AM on page 9

Not as a community garden - keeping current planting plan, but getting the neighbors on board to help with maintenance
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Christina Mar 27 2024 at 9:22AM on page 9

Not a taste prompt with signage - this would be used for programming purposes only
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Christina Mar 27 2024 at 9:14AM on page 8

50 amp pedestals, one on each side (total of 2)
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Christina Mar 27 2024 at 9:13AM on page 8

We are ok with precast or poured in place
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Christina Mar 27 2024 at 9:11AM on page 8

How close is this to the water table being this close to the lake?
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Christina Mar 27 2024 at 9:09AM on page 8

Is it possible to keep the trail that is here currently?
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Christina Mar 26 2024 at 12:49PM on page 14

Want the land bridge to look as natural as possible from the road
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Mark Ryan Mar 26 2024 at 12:40PM on page 14

Suggestion
Most of my comments are akin to "don't do this", but this is a really cool concept and a good spot for design to 'go nuts' a little bit. :) When it comes time for design, it would probably be good to consult with MnDOT on whether they have experience with how to manage drainage for those rain events that overwhelm the soil/plants on the bridge (underdrains, overflows, etc.).
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Mark Ryan Mar 26 2024 at 12:36PM on page 14

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Even if it is just a portion of the north wall that is reduced for viewing access from above and below, that could be placed close to the trail here.
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Christina Mar 26 2024 at 12:35PM on page 14

Simplify the planting schedule - feels like we might be trying to do too much in such a small area.
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Mark Ryan Mar 26 2024 at 12:35PM on page 14

Suggestion
Might be good to note in the wetland process that the option to expand the R2R bridge was more impactful, and that is another reason why this northern location was selected.
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Mark Ryan Mar 26 2024 at 12:26PM on page 13

Suggestion
This sort of "surface" level work in this area is probably good - I believe this old parcel area has potential dump material or contamination, which should be considered with more substantial projects in this area.
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Christina Mar 26 2024 at 12:13PM on page 14

What will it look like both to pedestrians and those driving on 52
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Christina Mar 26 2024 at 12:11PM on page 14

Like the overall flow of this with the curves in the trails and layout of the berms.
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Mark Ryan Mar 26 2024 at 12:11PM on page 10

Suggestion
I'm not sure if there are needs for erosion protection in this ravine - I think the stormwater is piped? - but if there are issues, there'd be an opportunity to address them during construction.
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Christina Mar 26 2024 at 12:10PM on page 14

What will this wall look like?
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Christina Mar 26 2024 at 12:08PM on page 14

People will make their own path over towards the edge of the bridge to be able to see traffic/the view. Does it make sense to shift the trail north?
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Christina Mar 26 2024 at 12:05PM on page 14

Concern around the maintenance of berms - hard to mow and get larger equipment over/on them
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Mark Ryan Mar 26 2024 at 12:04PM on page 10

Suggestion
I noted on the other sheet that the "cascade" should have a stilling basin or something between it and the Emerson Pond...that may limit views of a cascade.
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Mark Ryan Mar 26 2024 at 11:59AM on page 9

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I'd suggest some sort of pool/stilling area downstream of a cascade so that there is no resuspension of pond sediment in the pond north of Emerson.
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Mark Ryan Mar 26 2024 at 11:57AM on page 9

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I'd suggest sticking with cobbles or something smaller than boulders, as boulders would likely be out of place for this topography and area. (You can use some at the crossing or the "cascade" for the appeal, but I'd suggest keeping the channel more 'natural.')
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Mark Ryan Mar 26 2024 at 11:54AM on page 9

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I implore the County to consider this approach more of a "dry creekbed" (I'd call it an 'outlet channel' but that doesn't sell) in order to set user expectations. That is, don't call it a "daylighted stream." My suspicion based on the historical aerials is that there was probably an outlet channel for Thompson but not a real "stream" with consistently flowing water. Maybe a "restored natural outlet channel" or something is a middle-ground.
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Mark Ryan Mar 26 2024 at 11:44AM on page 7

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I know added stalls is the target here, but I'd suggest rounding out the ends of this new drive lane to make turning easier for waste hauler pickup and for organics drop-off. Could use signage to direct waste users to "outer loop" for drop-off...County could also consider directing traffic flow with signs/striping to minimize drive lane width.
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Mark Ryan Mar 26 2024 at 11:39AM on page 7

Agree with Dylan...I don't think the County has the vacuum capabilities to maintain pervious pavement.
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Christina Mar 25 2024 at 12:57PM on page 7

How many handicap spots are needed with this expansion?
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Christina Mar 25 2024 at 12:55PM on page 7

Do we need to add lighting to the middle of the lot?
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Joseph W Walton Mar 25 2024 at 12:55PM on page 14

Natural Resources team wants to help with species selection. Question: are there going to be specific things that we have to deliver on as part of the funding?
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Christina Mar 25 2024 at 12:54PM on page 7

Making sure there's lighting over here too
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Christina Mar 25 2024 at 12:53PM on page 7

No, stick with the standard
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Joseph W Walton Mar 25 2024 at 12:53PM on page 14

We don't think berms should be used. Berms are difficult to maintain. Mowing equipment has to be small. Would have to use weed whips instead of mowers. And the soil is usually not ideal, and will be difficult to grow on.
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Christina Mar 25 2024 at 12:50PM on page 6

portico area should have a switch that turns on flood lights for easy night time navigation
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Christina Mar 25 2024 at 12:49PM on page 6

Need to make sure the portico area is well-lit - currently is not and has caused issues with things getting hit. Pedestrian-scale bollards don't always work well where cars are also present. Patio lighting - accent lighting but also have a flood-light type option for end of night. Make sure stairs are well lit (from a maintenance perspective, don't want lights within the concrete treads)
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Joseph W Walton Mar 25 2024 at 12:44PM on page 11

Although the daylilies and lilacs are indicators of an old farmstead, they are still non-native plants that should be replaced by natives. And the trees should be preserved as much as possible for shade, etc.
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Christina Mar 25 2024 at 12:41PM on page 6

yes
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